could well be my noob skills in pc-knowledge...

Or my firewall is blocking the shockwavethingy...

I just tried it out. It should tell you if you're missing a plugin. It told me on the right side. I'm using a mac though.

Mine 's windows using firefox as browser.

Oh well, I'll just keep using the links google gives me when I search cockatiel genetic calculator!

There's another calculator at http://www.gencalc.com/gen/eng_genc.php?sp=0Cock But it's harder to use than the Virtual Breeder/Cockatiel Color Palette/Kirsten Munson one. The Munson calculator uses ordinary mutation names and the results are easy to read. The GenCalc one uses a lot of technical terminology, and the results are so hard to read that I usually paste them into a Word document and write a translation next to it.

Yeah, i don't really like the complicated one. I remember you showed us the results. My eyes almost bled.

There are times when you need the complicated one, because it has some capabilities that the simple one doesn't have. Like considering crossovers for example. But the simple one will serve the purpose most of the time.

Just for fun, here's what the breeding results for Teela and Azazel look like on the two calculators. Both give you a fairly long list, but one is a LOT easier to understand than the other.

The easy one:

Mother:Lutino Split To Whiteface
Father:Cinnamon Split To Pied Whiteface {X1: Pearl}

male offspring:
6% Whiteface Split To Pied {X1: Cinnamon Pearl} {X2: Lutino}
6% Whiteface Split To Pied {X1: Cinnamon} {X2: Lutino}
6% Grey Split To Pied {X1: Cinnamon Pearl} {X2: Lutino}
6% Grey Split To Pied {X1: Cinnamon} {X2: Lutino}
13% Grey Split To Pied Whiteface {X1: Cinnamon Pearl} {X2: Lutino}
13% Grey Split To Pied Whiteface {X1: Cinnamon} {X2: Lutino}
6% Whiteface Split To {X1: Cinnamon Pearl} {X2: Lutino}
6% Whiteface Split To {X1: Cinnamon} {X2: Lutino}
6% Grey Split To {X1: Cinnamon Pearl} {X2: Lutino}
6% Grey Split To {X1: Cinnamon} {X2: Lutino}
13% Grey Split To Whiteface {X1: Cinnamon Pearl} {X2: Lutino}
13% Grey Split To Whiteface {X1: Cinnamon} {X2: Lutino}

female offspring:
6% Whiteface Cinnamon Pearl Split To Pied
6% Whiteface Cinnamon Split To Pied
6% Cinnamon Pearl Split To Pied
6% Cinnamon Split To Pied
13% Cinnamon Pearl Split To Pied Whiteface
13% Cinnamon Split To Pied Whiteface
6% Whiteface Cinnamon Pearl
6% Whiteface Cinnamon
6% Cinnamon Pearl
6% Cinnamon
13% Cinnamon Pearl Split To Whiteface
13% Cinnamon Split To Whiteface


The complicated one:
1.0 natural cinnamon /opaline(pearl) ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
x 0.1 ino /blue(whiteface)
% from all 1.0
6.25% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /cinnamon ino ADM.pied
6.25% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /cinnamon ino
12.5% 1.0 natural /cinnamon ino ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
12.5% 1.0 natural /cinnamon ino blue(whiteface)
6.25% 1.0 natural /cinnamon ino ADM.pied
6.25% 1.0 natural /cinnamon ino
6.25% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /opaline(pearl)-cinnamon ino ADM.pied
6.25% 1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /opaline(pearl)-cinnamon ino
12.5% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl)-cinnamon ino ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
12.5% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl)-cinnamon ino blue(whiteface)
6.25% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl)-cinnamon ino ADM.pied
6.25% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl)-cinnamon ino
% from all 0.1
6.25% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) cinnamon blue(whiteface) /ADM.pied
6.25% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) cinnamon blue(whiteface)
12.5% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) cinnamon /ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
12.5% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) cinnamon /blue(whiteface)
6.25% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) cinnamon /ADM.pied
6.25% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) cinnamon
6.25% 0.1 natural cinnamon blue(whiteface) /ADM.pied
6.25% 0.1 natural cinnamon blue(whiteface)
12.5% 0.1 natural cinnamon /ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
12.5% 0.1 natural cinnamon /blue(whiteface)
6.25% 0.1 natural cinnamon /ADM.pied
6.25% 0.1 natural cinnamon

did you add the (pear) (whiteface), or did the calculator?

The calculator put in all the stuff in parentheses. Azazel is split to pearl and whiteface (and pied too for that matter) so I included all of them in the input. I wasn't sure if he was split pearl or visual pearl, but this year he proved it was a split by producing a daughter who was cinnamon but not pearl. He also gave me another whiteface cinnamon pearl girl, just like YinYin last year, which makes me very happy.

With the pair in the example above, all the boys are grey and all the girls are cinnamon. The complicated calculator uses the term 'natural' instead of grey or normal grey, but I don't know why they call all the girls natural cinnamon. Cinnamon is not the natural color of the bird. Just one example of how confusing it is to read the results of that calculator.

You have to pay careful attention to the slashes and hyphens. They're very significant and meaningful, but also very easy to overlook. The slash is where the splits begin, and a hyphen in the list of splits means that they've stopped talking about one X chromosome and are now talking about the other one. The easy calculator makes it a lot more obvious, using the written word "split" and telling you clearly whether the sex-linked splits are on X1 or X2. In the example above, all the boys have the cinnamon gene (contributed by dad) on one X chromosome and the lutino gene (contributed by mom) on the other one.

Edit: whoops, I explained the hyphen wrong. A hyphen means that two sex-linked genes are on the same X. No hyphen means they're not on the same X. So opaline(pearl)-cinnamon ino means that pearl and cinnamon are on the same X and lutino is on the other X. See how much fun this calculator is?

The easy calculator writes it as {X1: Cinnamon Pearl} {X2: Lutino} which is also confusing for people who don't understand how the X chromosomes work. But it's a lot easier to read for people who DO understand it.

I think it has to do with Cinnamon being a shade of lighter grey... So it's still the natural look (with the yellow head and red cheeks) but cinnamon, or natural cinnamon. If it would be a whiteface cinnamon you have to put the whiteface in front to show it's not natural. So they added the natural just to be on the safe side. My 2 cents

It isn't natural coloring though. The feathers normally contain black melanin pigment, and in the cinnamon mutation the last stage of the melanin production process fails so the pigment is brown instead of black. To our eyes it looks like different shades of grey, since we see the color filtered through the other physical material of the feather. But there's been a very fundamental change in the pigment color. The person who designed the calculator probably knows this too. They're using sophisticated technical names for the mutations that most breeders don't know, so they're obviously a genetic geek who's even deeper into this stuff than I am.